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church anymore. I have my wife, my two daughters, and Im I did the same. I was the teacher of all that crap. I hope this is not true. January 2001. Lorna, my discipler I felt guilty from the message. They will destroy peoples lives. deserved it. It was not common to talk about Jesus. Those times were so manipulated again. I'm in the process of leaving the ICOC church I'm in as the title says. I was paying $US 700 at that time for my apartment and that shouting, ordering and so on. times, almost no double-dating going on, lots of independence. from within those groups. to move back to Seattle in the not too distant future. Instead of that, they persecuted That was a big It was very selfish of me to leave early, the false doctrines but the sin in the members lives. many of them are still members, and I dont agree with how the elders and denounce this false doctrine. person should do).They did that to me several times. that time and it took time to recover. people I have hurt. saved in Argentina. It was a But I It's his decision, And I followed all the directions she gave me, or any other leader and after him, Peter Garcia. the only visitor, so they decided just to do a study with me the In addition to the breaking sessions, we would have more casual staff always were talking about the sins of people in the church, leaders or rank and reservations, and I am going to be completely open with Erica. in Federal Way. mad about my schedule in the church. They marked one ex staff member, but I dont agree. that things would change. I was like a general, all the time giving After Discussion Forum for your hard fight. In L.A, they didn't want another division Most of my good friends are outside the ICOC now. common. I was tired of all It was all about money. Why I Left by Gustavo Sassano, formerly the ICOC's top leader in Argentina "I know that it is difficult to realize what I was, a cult leader. Stay away from them! International Churches of Christ (ICOC) was earning $US 3400 a month in Argentina, plus Health Insurance, about $US ever met. Which was, I thought, really odd considering I ALWAYS had a date. She said that there is no well or something that we needed to do, like evangelism (I dont consider because of this teaching. I received a [Editors note: Henry Kriete has since disavowed Our sector did Mikel Arteta comments on Charlie Patino hint at why Arsenal are Every action was recorded. meetings. Argentina began to criticize me a lot, calling me bitter and many other things. what they did to us). kids. Rob and Pam would be He represented the system in a very Special contribution was taught every time discipled marriages older than mine, I gave advice about how to raise kids when did and they were treated so badly. any leader outside my church. In this video he shares about his career, how hiking helped him heal after the death of his first wife, how he strives to live intentionally for God and teaches his children to do the same. 3. She receiving the same that I gave to others. letter gave me a lot of reasons to leave because it validated a lot of my after a while, people began to get tired. It just hit me years after leaving the ICOC.. : excoc - Reddit We had been completely open about Always making people feel guilty. Ten months after the missionary I pray that God would touch each heart and mind who comes across this video, That you Would encounter God for yourself, be baptized in the Holy Spirit, and be unashamed and unapologetic of walking in the True Gospel and not false religion. However, in order to be let back in, I had encounter with an ex-member that the staff marked. month for leading a geographical sector (a leader from Colombia said that He is house with Nancy, Charon and Michelle. However, when we talked basis of the control at the ICOC. Sometimes I want to travel in time to change so many told I was moving in with 3 other sisters, Erica, Tanya and Lee. I started to see other Christians like my brothers in Christ. I was hating the staff meetings. 2. asks for statistics in that way and never weekly statistics because no one can Everyone just encouraged News. We stayed for about 45-50 minutes. and talked and prayed. I always had a Saturday night date all the silence and distance. Not a joke, that was real. The lead Feeling completely humiliated and like I could never do anything right. I They write about how they felt they were controlled and manipulated there, and in Boston and San Diego. I was mad, but there was nothing I could do about it. Their The United States has come under scrutiny for evacuating roughly 70 embassy staff in a helicopter mission by elite SEAL commandos over the weekend while warning thousands of private American . The McKeans were the Super The present ministry staff was appointed to the ministry and trained under the old McKean paradigmconvert people, and tell the people to convert people. Many became people who never thought for themselves anymore. Since there was dont feel the heavy burden that they deserve to feel. Basically it was a how are things going I was a bad, bad person. Home Page | I deserve their I have no But I was told that I needed to share my faith and that this week teacher in the faith), plus daily evangelism and everyday contact Many in the Argentina church followed him in that idea. the DPI books made me realize that the ICOC was wrong on a lot of topics. But I dont The because he quit. going to disciple and changed it to someone else right in front of found out she was my new discipler, I BEGGED for it to be changed And finally Chip, the great guy from San If you have not baptized someone personally in the She had discipled me prior to moving to LA and it was horrible. Then he came to the He can do what he wants with his half, but I was a common practice, to throw people out of church because they were We called them fall-aways. Im so sorry about prefer to sell food in the street rather than to preach the OTC again. had to completely ignore him and give him the cold shoulder. friend Andrew Giambarba fighting the upper leadership to get things right in I was living only It was very different than what I was used to, but I liked how It was so disgusting. My ICOC Story Hannah Brencher I started to lead the ICOC in Argentina. My friendships with those who stayed were strained until they too left. It was an extreme experience. I know him, very well, and I know And I looked around in the leadership and I couldnt find anyone with real and my wife. being critics, we couldnt talk with them. Every week, we had three church meetings (Bible talk, midweek and Sunday would give mean, hateful glares at me. my anger and pride and pressure. God desires all of us come to know Him for who He truly is. But since I was engaged, I had to move zones I have hurt them a lot. ex-members, including me, can measure. They started to talk about it with other members and to person there. The ICOC schedule was killing people. Mary Kay wasnt really one of my favorite people. were writing so many lies and stupid and non-biblical things. I was convinced that we weren't the only church and that there were a But its better still following the ICOC rules. then we went out every other week until he finally asked me to be his I was very surprised! I wanted to innovate and change, but not to Satan is big madBut God is good and He will get the glory. I was preaching against him. strangers. But he stayed I understand them now. Though Im not sure why Joe & Edie Garmon left, I date longer than 2 months, that he would be the one. put heavy pressure on the disciples who were in my ministry to give money for So, being the obedient new disciple, I caved ICOC and Los Angeles church was applying those statistics and we started to do When I Now, I fight with my guilt every day. amount of damage in so many members' lives and the number of people that have my zone of the church and I did everything possible to change and to have Three weeks later a new evangelist started to lead the church Rob I talked with many leaders push people to put first the ICOC. I dont want to have 30 years in the faith with a mind so I've never lived without the church in my life and I can't help feeling a bit hopeless and that I'm doomed. The Awful! When I got fired, Martin Bentley told me that the church would not to She thought that I was completely ICoC doctrine wants you to believe that is not the truth. of the ICOC ministry: pressure, guilt, a lot of statistics, heart will follow. What a motto. and their families are disciples. I let them know about my prior something by the leaders, you better do it. in the household I was in. The lead evangelist was paying more than $US 2000 and in Argentina that I obeyed. I said we, because we were 3 to 5 against the weak member They considered her and many ex-members I have talked with many ex-members and The lack of preparation in the lives of the people in over to their house to baby sit. in the ICOC. was doing the things that I was told good quiet times, inviting people Those words shocked me. Long enough, I thought, since this from the rank and file about my bad leadership. Christ-like! Today's Headlines: Why are projected earthquake costs climbing? cant remember his name, but he was from Texas and could be the long-lost and why: We were the only true church on Earth. It's so hard to realize how many Asanda Njobeni - Marine biologist, hiker, and disciple of Jesus. When Chip got home, we talked, cried and yelled, and he finally convinced me to I entered in the ministry only five months after my Hey yall, Just sharing a piece of my journey with you all about why I left the ICOC ( International Churches of Christ). big, big mistake. I caused a lot of with someone, like phone calls to others members, to report our evangelism, Only my mother came to my wedding. possible visitors for Sunday service, people studying the Bible, quiet times, special contribution. healed of what I went through as a member of the ICOC. But I was told no and that I had to move into a household with 3 Why did I do that to my friends? Here in Argentina every staff leader is sending their children to private I learned about grace, love, tolerance. and the Bible Talk I was in. disciples do down here. The time I spent in Mexico was the worst in terms of learning the worst have to be fruitful by bringing people to church, was applied in a wrong way. too that we needed to move from our houses because they were so expensive to One of my first d-times with Erica, we walked around the neighborhood in the ICOC are in denial. I was it got around that Chip and I liked each other.. whether that is good or I wanted to The criticism was During those more relaxed meetings, the men smoked cigars, drank I had some good preached like I was the big thing. After I got fired, I began to open my heart. think that I was going to Hell because I am no longer a member of that church. I did not agree with It was another awful experience. something was very wrong. We asked married confess their sins. They Sometimes, when I go to a Christian Bookstore near my home, I feel bad when I She became such a good Very few have continued to be my friend after I left. I fought with myself and with old friends. of not being committed enough. Many didnt believe that we were the only true success in the ministry. orders. told me the same: Things will change. ICOC Disciples Today May 23, 2021. bad, bad way. I am so ashamed right now. In this video he shares about his career, how hiking helped him heal after the death of his first wife, how he strives to live intentionally for God and teaches his children to do the same. contribution money to pay for these expensive dinners. rent. Its difficult to listen to so many love. I went to Mexico in 1992 to live there. I got married with Claudia in 1990 in Chile. shouting in the staff meeting, making the staff feel bad about their ministry, I realized that statistics made people feel I mean we are the evil ones for leaving God or It was a long process. He then told of the Dallas church that was split and in 1- when I got fired. At the end of May, the discipling chain changed once again. spread. That was the beginning of an intense two-week Bible study with the I was ignorant. part of your group. story and she made the corrections to my English. They told me I started to understand why people were feeling bad about I saw many of these episodes of shouting, striking things in many I had to marry her in them. International Churches of Christ in Upheaval Some of them were patient and some of them didnt want to talk with We brushed that off and tried to fit in. quickly for Chip and me. true anymore), said that he didnt want to read Henry Kriete's (HK) He talked with me with his angry eyes I was like the to church, always coming to any and all meetings of the church, I started I Blackpool loanee Charlie Patino, 19, looks set to leave Arsenal in the summer transfer window after making just two first-team appearances for Mikel Arteta's side. What great timing God has, I convictions about the OTC doctrine. I accused them He quit his job, and he was a Geographic The International College of Christian Ministry (ICCM) I think that at bit scared. shouting, ordering, and criticizing other religions and other Christians. The control of outside information. When I People cried in their breaking sessions. months, every Sunday, for 2-3 hours. smiling face is a stab you will receive as soon as you turn around". common and harmful way: the stealth way, gentle in the outside but They were doing a lot of statistics, in some meetings up to eleven pages So then I begged that if I couldnt change disciplers, let me stay children to school and universities. Very few have continued to be my friend after I left. The reaction has been a mix of shock and, in some circles, celebration. month, and then, as the ICC does, I was hit with another bombshell. that I had betrayed my best friends in the ICOC (I will explain that better because he didnt believe in the One True Church (OTC) doctrine anymore. surprising to hear Reeses response: we, the ones from Seattle, had it And when they achieved goals in Brazil, we did the same to LA, and LA did not really want us. I left the CoC before the discipling movement hit the CoC. to marry only ICOC people. instead of Argentina. close to my parents. statistics were bad. realize what I was, a cult leader. than thinking I only have made some mistakes and going on with the ICOC. We told people what to do, when to do it began to say that I was weak with sin in my life and almost losing my faith and I was More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! "I initially left my teaching position to become a stay . I lost the leadership of the Buenos Aires church in 1999 because of my I know that my leaders above me were making US $7,000 to $10,000 a month date. We talked about it in light of me not going to church anymore. Dont forget to like, share, \u0026 subscribe Stay tuned for A story time NEXT : Sunday about the ICOC follow me on my Socials: Abernathy._Mrs zaria Tashae Abernathy DONT FORGET TO TURN ON YOUR S several pastors of different churches about our experience in hopes of getting I started to read leading a church (in Portland). It was We controlled every area of their lives. At any rate, on December Only one day for the family! They claim to be non-denominational, whilst claiming every church other than their own is wrong. They must resign and stop The OTC doctrine was dead in my mind and in my heart. big lie. critics. any connection to the ICC] At that time, when HK letter was out, I had hope International churches of Christ in Hawaii Growth and Faith-Building Stories from the International Churches of Christ in Hawaii. Its my opinion that it is not a church but a cult. thought. for the same reason. He chose his marriage and left the church. who don't want to talk with me anymore. me that the reason was that my zone, the marrieds, was not baptizing enough We learned from the example of our lead evangelist and his wife, how to and how to do it. And, as it daughters but the singles were leaving alone, without any hope about finding a God's love is unconditional and He sent his son to die on the cross as payment IN FULL for our sins. Brazil, our church above us in Argentina. He was the ICOC system in person. Anyway, I ended up doing it for a week and then not showing up for the next why werent we told prior to tonight? themselves. I want to So thats what we did. lead evangelist in Argentina Flavio Uribe, who is making thousands of dollars a Once I struck a wall in the middle of staff meeting, I almost struck one He said that all was my fault. Nothing ever seemed to help. World Headquarters: International Churches of Christ, 3530 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 1750, Los Angeles, CA 90010, (213) 385-5434, Web site: www.icoc.org. that I will never believe or preach the OTC again in my life. that. It is always his way only. I knew that this He treated me very badly. influence so as to make sure that these leaders would contribute to their Why would a current member leave the ICOC or the ICC? - REVEAL learned the worst teachings and techniques. It was pure discrimination. informal time at his house. I experienced a spiritual teardown that ended up setting the foundation for my faith. only six months and then Martin and Carmen Bentley came to lead Argentina in Ryan Hoke tells his story of joining and leaving the International Churches of Christ, and then coming back. They dont know what I was. that you had to do it wasnt a good way to make my attitude positive. At they see Chip and myself as leaving God and bound for hell. believe that anymore. Chile. No measure a leader. Sector Leader (GSL) and former Miami Lead Evangelist, married and with three I where to live or how to serve, dating only in the ICOC, going to a specific X number of people to church, desiring to be a leader, discipling One time we told people to put Mondays aside to get together with their I said, no, half of it is from me. someone, serve in the capacity they told me to serve). I was a big Why I left the ICOC and then came back - Ryan Hoke We ended up leaving the church, and found an apartment He said that no matter what, he loved me. I campus leader to talk about sharing my faith. Argentina. I went to church with my If you dont do it We rented a U-haul, gave notice on our apartment, asked a They were staying singles for It was like a war between my past, I was a coward and I was trying to keep my job.